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The Difference Between Subjective & Objective

Posted Thursday, July 30, 2009


The Difference Between Subjective and Objective

An opinion piece by Crispin Hughes.

Photo. Mitch Cameron.

Spending some moderated time out from the world of the fine aquatic hobby of wave riding, the actuality of it becoming a full-on bonified sport seems as far from reality as it did all the ways back when 17 years ago. My irritation of how a sport can be marketable and profitable to an audience outside the actual wave riding culture always grated on me, so much so I questioned the validity of the riders who actually won heats and events, from club comps to the pro events where money was on offer. 

I can remember it as clear as day, I was 15 years young, watching a heat in a local club comp being run and judged, with results unlike my friends and mine watching and mentally judging it from the shore line thought should have been the winner. I am sure anyone who has ever witnessed a competition and had this similar familiar experience is nodding their head now and feeling a slight bad taste in their mouth at the judge’s decision? 

This questioning of how bodyboarding events were being run and marketed had a self destructing yet self fulfilling purpose and outcome of my following 10 year “professional career”. By the age of 18, I had decided not to follow competitions and tours, if my sponsors wanted me to enter they were going to pay for travel, accommodation and fees. I proposed an alternative contract and an agreement was made, the idea of 10 to 20 pages of magazine coverage annually world wide was a better deal for a dropkneer than a comp placing. 

The confirmation of my thoughts were voiced sternly and very loudly by Kainoa McGee in the Hawaiian winter season of  ‘93-‘94 at Haleiwa Beach clubhouse where  a gathering of the world’s elite body boarders and the contest officials running the world title event “Pipeline Pro” were to come together and form a new direction. Kainoa proposed a 6 event world tour where each comp destination had up to a month waiting period for body board suited waves, covered by multiple cameras from multiple angles in which all footage would be edited and sold to televised sports programs across the world. This idea seemed so ‘outside the box’ that the powers that be said it was too much of a gamble and it was best to follow the stand up surfings road of supposed success. In typical Kainoa style, he told them what he thought of the official’s lid tightening response by storming screeching out of the Haleiwa car park in a ball of dust and burnt rubber.

I couldn’t put my finger on the problem back then and seemingly still is one now 17 years later. A few months back I bumped into a good friend of mine on the sands of Avalon who is at the top of his game, won a world title and has his own signature board and accessories. Feeling a vibe I haven’t felt in a long time, I asked how his latest comp went and I could literally see fire in his eyes and it wasn’t the fire of burning desire, the steam coming out of his ears told me it was a fire of absolute frustration. After a full 15 minutes of venting he proceeded out into the two foot fun wedging reform shore break to flip, spin, carve, tube and style his way to dry sand on each and every wave he caught of a twenty minute time he gave himself (I personally gave him a 10 for each of the first 3 waves he caught in the first 10 minutes).

This vent of my friend re-ignited my frustration I felt when I was a weee’grommet. Noticing I still held onto this angst deep down, realizing I have not fully let go, I feel this is my chance to try and articulate what most still feel and what many will for years to come unless the box in which body boarding competitions are held and judged, will continue and perhaps keep the lid tightly screwed on, stopping a progression of a hobby which need not be confined to our brothers way of competing in the stand-up world of wave riding.

 I am currently putting myself through a university degree in Human Resources, which has turned a light on in my head and shone brightly on that niggling reason of why the wave riding sport is no where near the league of sponsorship from major companies like that of golfing or tennis events. It is the difference between ‘Subjective’ and ‘Objective’ decision-making. Apart from the limiting aspect of living near the coast where waves break, the population of any part of a coastline can pick up a tennis racket or golf club and know the easy to follow subjective rules (hit ball out of bounds more than the other player you lose) while the population who live to far to travel to the coast wouldn’t know why a 360 in the white wash is rated lower than a tube ride (where no-one can see you). 

Apart from that main difference, the ‘Subjective’ judging criteria is a hindrance. How can anyone take a professional sport seriously when results are made by subjective interpretations by the probability of sponsor-influenced judging? The reality of it could mean bodyboarding will never get passed the likeness to regional gymnastics or ice skating competition status. Knowing that, “up and coming wanna be pro’s”, will get a shock and be deterred like many have in the past is a reason why many budding professional body boarders lose interest or opt for the surfboard. It seems making a living from competition bodyboarding is as stressful as going to University and getting a degree. Kainoa’s idea is as valid today as it was 17 years ago, bodyboarding needs to pave its own brand of experience and package it for the world before any professional body boarder can retire on their well earned winnings.

After reading Crispin's piece we're interested to hear what you guys think, what should bodyboarding's brand experience be positioned on?

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Posted by: Crispin huges
30-Jul-2009 03:23 PM
Crispin Hughes, your bodyboarding days are over mate.....your gay!
Posted by: JONO
30-Jul-2009 03:25 PM
ahah he just wrote him self off.... i would after this lame write up too
Posted by: ben
30-Jul-2009 03:27 PM
i agree with moment, this is some pretty text book shit right here ha!
Posted by: Todd Barnes
30-Jul-2009 03:41 PM
It all makes sense. Go buy a DVD... thats were bodyboarding is.
Posted by: Shay
30-Jul-2009 04:51 PM
I'd love to see more Crispin Hughes footage. Guy used to rule. Had some really weird looking boards as well. That grey snub nosed beast. Fuck, movement should do a little feature on that board and the other round nose contraptions that were getting hyped in the mid '90s. As far as comps go - who really cares? I get more psyched on vids than comp results/world tour ratings etc. I
Posted by: Nick Dawson
31-Jul-2009 07:31 AM
professionalism starts right here. Movement: you should be proofreading this
Posted by: nf
31-Jul-2009 09:54 AM
Stand up surfing still suffers from it, where human judgment is called upon there will always be errors. And if we are talking about BP at this years pipe comp, yes that judging horrible.
Posted by: foam
31-Jul-2009 10:25 AM
it doesnt help when some of the head directors of the world tour are actually surfers too. i seen one in particular all starry eyed at the presents of jamie O at this year's bodyboarding pipe event, all you can do is shake your head at times.
Posted by: 3. Your Name
31-Jul-2009 12:45 PM
so is he suggesting we have a comp at nuggan or some other consistent wedge - mandurah perhaps - and base the scoring on landed moves which can be objectively scored, say roll 4, backflip 7... thing is that is similar to diving which has an element of subjectivity to it as well bodyboarding is good cause it lets dudes in their primal age get wild in the ocean, legally and without much cash. they find themselves and avoid doing boo out in some backyard in the west, trying to be hard in fights and getting in prison at 15 like that punter lately. you can hop on and ride straight away and take it where you want with progression. at least you're not a boo head. p
Posted by: danarchist
31-Jul-2009 03:32 PM
I think there is really two issues here. One is the interpretation and application of the judging criteria, as illustrated in Ben Players case at pipe, and the other a case of exposure/ promotion of bodyboarding as a whole, which I hope to show are interrelated. To deal with the judging first, as you outlined it comes down to the application of a “rules” by which the comp is judged by. The judges define scores based on the judging criteria the are set in order to attempt to deem a winner from a diverse range of riders, with different ideas, influences, styles and ideas of wave riding. It’s unfortunately the nature of the beast, as what constitutes good waveriding is often a very personal and unique idea. The main problem as I see it comes down to what is referred to in cultural studies as “a culturally constructed” interpretation of what good bodyboarding is. To broadly generalize, each outpost of the bodyboarding world has it’s own unique idea of “good” Bodyboarding.....(witness the difference in style and approach between the South Americans and Australians) produced by various means of social interactions between participants in each country. Think influences (top riders mostly ie Stewarts wave riding Vs Tamega wave riding), the ensuing socialisation processes, media coverage etc. In order to attempt to codify and accommodate these different approaches and style, the formulation of a “letter of the law” approach to judging has developed where by a certain manoeuvre = a certain points range, depending on how and where it is performed. Ben Players pipe heat is an excellent example of the subjective and objective application of scoring. To the average Bodyboarder what we saw was an excellently performed backflip with reverse rotation of the bowl at pipe, extremely hard to do and thus should have scored highly. However applying the “letter of the law” approach in the judging criteria, the move was scored on the basis of it having been a flip of some kind, and thus only worth of X amount of points, within the range of scores usually given for such a move...... a problem born of attempting to fit different styles and influences of wave riding under a blanket judging criteria. The same thing happens in the NRL, as referees have to apply the rule law to what happens on the field, where as many fans and players would see the interpretation differently. What might be seen as a good play in league, is often deemed to be technically in breach of the “to the letter “ laws of the game. Essentially the sport needs a strong governing body, that develops and applies a judging criteria that allows flexability in the scoring process for “objective” interpretation of the riders wave. This can only be achieved through an extensive consultation process involving all interest groups and parties involved ( riders, nationalities, sponsors, media, and grass roots, average Joe riders. etc) Once this is achieved then we will begin to see a closing of the gap between different “cultural” groups within the sport as riders from all areas aspire to achieve the balance of technical skill and “objective” style that will see them achieve better results in each event. The thing is that this kind of debate and evaluation of what should and shouldn’t be rewarded and what is “good” wave riding is part of the above process. Bodyboarding is actually on it’s way to achieve this end goal, ultimately it’s “brand experience” that can then be packaged, marketed and made understandable to the masses. However we may then decry the loss of originality and uniqueness among future riders..............be careful what we wish for......
Posted by: danarchist
31-Jul-2009 03:47 PM
I think there is really two issues here. One is the interpretation and application of the judging criteria, as illustrated in Ben Players case at pipe, and the other a case of exposure/ promotion of bodyboarding as a whole, which I hope to show are interrelated. To deal with the judging first, as you outlined it comes down to the application of a “rules” by which the comp is judged by. The judges define scores based on the judging criteria the are set in order to attempt to deem a winner from a diverse range of riders, with different ideas, influences, styles and ideas of wave riding. It’s unfortunately the nature of the beast, as what constitutes good waveriding is often a very personal and unique idea. The main problem as I see it comes down to what is referred to in cultural studies as “a culturally constructed” interpretation of what good bodyboarding is. To broadly generalize, each outpost of the bodyboarding world has it’s own unique idea of “good” Bodyboarding.....(witness the difference in style and approach between the South Americans and Australians) produced by various means of social interactions between participants in each country. Think influences (top riders mostly ie Stewarts wave riding Vs Tamega wave riding), the ensuing socialisation processes, media coverage etc. In order to attempt to codify and accommodate these different approaches and style, the formulation of a “letter of the law” approach to judging has developed where by a certain manoeuvre = a certain points range, depending on how and where it is performed. Ben Players pipe heat is an excellent example of the subjective and objective application of scoring. To the average Bodyboarder what we saw was an excellently performed backflip with reverse rotation of the bowl at pipe, extremely hard to do and thus should have scored highly. However applying the “letter of the law” approach in the judging criteria, the move was scored on the basis of it having been a flip of some kind, and thus only worth of X amount of points, within the range of scores usually given for such a move...... a problem born of attempting to fit different styles and influences of wave riding under a blanket judging criteria. The same thing happens in the NRL, as referees have to apply the rule law to what happens on the field, where as many fans and players would see the interpretation differently. What might be seen as a good play in league, is often deemed to be technically in breach of the “to the letter “ laws of the game. Essentially the sport needs a strong governing body, that develops and applies a judging criteria that allows flexability in the scoring process for “objective” interpretation of the riders wave. This can only be achieved through an extensive consultation process involving all interest groups and parties involved ( riders, nationalities, sponsors, media, and grass roots, average Joe riders. etc) Once this is achieved then we will begin to see a closing of the gap between different “cultural” groups within the sport as riders from all areas aspire to achieve the balance of technical skill and “objective” style that will see them achieve better results in each event. The thing is that this kind of debate and evaluation of what should and shouldn’t be rewarded and what is “good” wave riding is part of the above process. Bodyboarding is actually on it’s way to achieve this end goal, ultimately it’s “brand experience” that can then be packaged, marketed and made understandable to the masses. However we may then decry the loss of originality and uniqueness among future riders..............be careful what we wish for......
Posted by: bort
31-Jul-2009 06:10 PM
IF IT'S NOT ON THE BIG SCREEN IT DIDN'T HAPPEN FOOLS! BIG FAST CRAZY RIDING THAT MAKES ALL NOOBS OUT THEIR SHIT THEMSELVES AND BE AMAZED!!!... But this doesnt normally happen in a comp. So to keep us interested ad: CRAZY MUTHA FUCKERS WHO LIVE AND DIE BY THE SWORD, WHO SHOW OFF IN FRONT OF A CAMERA, LOOSE, WIN, EXPLORE, GET FUCKED UP, GO TO BUDHA, JOKE, TOKE, AND GO FOR BROKE... a diverse, passionate, cultural blend that makes up the population that are Bodyboarders. The fucking underground! A loose bunch of characters that intregue. Cheerish difference because your the fucking same. Lame ...AND HEAPS OF HOT SEXY LADIES AND DUDES TO KEEP US ERECT. NO MORE PINK GAY TIGHT METRO TSHIRTS PLEASE!!! Just tanned six packs, big smiles, big fingers, nice titties and arses. PARTIES! GOOD FRIENDS ACCROSS THE WORLD. A sport that isn't competitive, it's a lifestyle that brings people together! A stereotypical demographic I think not. FROM TOUGH CUNTS GOING FOR IT TO NERDS PAINTING THEIR SKILLS ACCROSS THE FACE OF THE WAVE!. Bodyboarders are as diverse and intersting. If the media cannot convey that, then the sport will sink. is that objectively subjective enough for ya? COMPS SUCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK!
Posted by: hugo
04-Aug-2009 06:34 AM
well i think subjectivity favours ben in this case. there is a number of top riders who have the maneuver consistency dialed in in a way their almost unbeatable. Nevertheless they are not regarded as the best. why? because of style. Maintaining style as a subjective matter in competition allows for different riding techniques (thus different bbing cultures/different countries). Im sure that if judging would be standartized by aussie parameters the rest of the world would still be up to it in a matter of time, but where would you fit unique individual expressions there? freaks like virtue, hubbard or tamega (and hardy for that matter) are special in a way that they are unique. And also have the charisma to star a new style paradigm. Remember that before hardy were the eppo days. i still have the magazines now that criticize stewarts riding back then as boring and predictable. And they were mentioning pipe.. Sports chriteria can change so much all in a spawn of a decade. Now, i think whats in discussion here is that the best should be favoured/protected by the system. Fair hell no. Good for business? sure. Surfing has got there by its overprotecting WCT format but too many bodyboarders forget that. And they also have their share of drama about how some of the tops are allways overponctuated. and yes i mean slater. but it keeps their circus running smoothly, so im starting to think if what bodyboarding needs is just a bit of unfairness. if the pipe event had only 40 seeded riders plus ct's double elimination system we wouldnt be discussing judging, wanna bet?
Posted by: hugo
04-Aug-2009 06:51 AM
about kainoas proposal, yeah its simpathetic but you cannot expect to create a product and then just like magic create demand. thats not how the market works and theres not any indication that any television wants bodyboarding in it, how radical and photogenic it may be. I mean wtah tv station has ever broadcasted the shark island challenge? or the pipe event? or arica? and im pretty sure they tried that kind of stunt during the supertour years. a anual event as radical as the sic would be something that a tv would want right? wrong. theres nothing that proves it. what the sport needs is to be self suficient first, strong next then impose itself in the media last. were not even in the first stage so give it a break dont try to jump the ladder.
Posted by: 3. Your Name
04-Aug-2009 11:48 AM
i think we need to define what makes bodyboarding interesting/ desirable to mainstream people within an hour of a surfable coast then whatever tour or event is based on that premise i think selling it to people as a good outlet for teens to get some angst and adrenalin without breaking laws and spending a heap of cash
Posted by: hugo
04-Aug-2009 08:55 PM
i was reding kingys blog and his losing at a good wave like arica enlightned a bit the discussion. no matter how good you surf or how bad judging is its too difficult to have a decently fair competition if there arent enough waves for everybody. thats why i mentioned wcts format. man x man heats, double elimination system, that can get really eliminate a fair bit of the luck/jockying skills in competition
Posted by: Ben Player
05-Aug-2009 02:14 AM
In my opinion I agree with Hugo. I think the only way to make competitions fair is by having longer heats with something like a top 16 format so that the riders have more time to flare and open up a full repertoire of moves. It seems that most riders only do flips - and bad ones at that - because they are basic move that scores well. If a rider had more time they would be able to be more selective with waves hence utilizing all of what a bodyboard offers. The next step past that would be to also properly educate the judges so they award the full repertoire of moves so something like a forward air or reverse air scores more than an ARS as it's more difficult.
Posted by: Mr Crispin Hughes
13-Aug-2009 10:08 AM
Awesome!! I'm pretty amped on the responses peoples! ;) I love that there is still passion out there, to 'danarchist' and 'hugo', good on you for taking the time to respond with intelligence, reason and options along with opinions. NB: If anyone wants to know what the meaning of life is, for me it is the ability to create! We are the only known organisms on this earth to have a dream or idea and actually make it into reality, how many of you have made that happen recently or in your lives at all?? P.s. cheers for the feedback on my writing skills, haha, it was a rough draught and wasn't expecting it to be posted online, cheers Nick Dawson.